Unofficial
Advising / Scheduling Notes
for future engineering majors now at TCC

from James Carr
Office: SM 290
Phone: 201-8971

Office hours   can be found here   along with E-mail addresses

Last updated: 25 June 2009
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There are many special requirements for persons who want to earn a degree in engineering:

(1) The University of Florida requires CHM1046 for most engineering subfields, and a specific 2nd science for the others. Only Chemical Engineering at FAMU-FSU requires the second chemistry course, while Civil Engineering requires a specific earth science class (such as GLY1030).

(2) FSU only requires 4 courses (MAC2311, MAC2312, CHM1045, and PHY2048, with chemical engineers counting CHM1046 instead of PHY2048) for admission to the engineering program BUT requires that you earn a "C" in each of those four classes on no more than five total attempts. That is, you get a single repeat of only one of those four classes, but withdrawals do not count as attempts. If you fail (D or F grade, or a C- at FSU) one class twice or fail two of those classes, you will be provisionally admitted to the FSU-FAMU College of Engineering and forced to earn a specific grade in a specific class to remain. They will never accept any student who has any combination of three or more failing grades (from any school, not just TCC) in these four classes.

(3) Florida requires a minimum of 6 courses from their 8 core requirements (MAC2311, MAC2312, MAC2313, MAP2302, PHY2048, and PHY2049, CHM1045, and CHM1046 or other required extra science course) with a GPA of at least 2.5. You get two attempts in each of those 8 core "tracking" courses, but withdrawals count as attempts at UF. Some UF engineering majors require minimum grade of B in physics and math classes. In addition, all UF engineers need a high level of computer competency that should include C++. Students who meet these minimum requirements must then compete, apparently based on their overall GPA, for a seat in the incoming class.

(4) Most engineering programs are structured so that you study static situations first, putting to use the skills learned in PHY2048 and MAC2312. However, because vectors (including both the dot and cross product) are used extensively in all engineering classes, most students benefit from having that subject covered in MAC2313 before transferring. In addition, vector integrals are an important part of the definition of work so having taken MAC2313 will make you more fully prepared to extend your knowledge of this material to a higher level than is taught in this state's version of PHY2048. For those reasons, and because Calc III at TCC is taught better than at FSU, I strongly recommend that you not leave TCC until you have completed MAC2313. Ideally, you should take Calc III and Physics II together. Since both are taught only in Spring and Fall, this should be part of your long-term plan. As part of our "guaranteed schedule", those courses will be taught as promised, even if only a few people enroll.

(5) Differential equations are used a bit later in the curriculum, when dynamical problems (like the not-so-simple harmonic motion of a car suspension or driven systems of AC circuits) are encountered. You will see some of this in my extensive study of AC circuits in PHY2049. I strongly recommend that you take MAP2302 (ordinary differential equations) at TCC, where our high-quality math faculty includes one engineer who sometimes teaches this class part time during his retirement. At the present time, the FAMU-FSU college is transitioning to a curriculum where every student will take MAP2302 followed by a linear algebra course taught only at FSU. Note that MAP2302 is usually not taught in fall, but can be taken as a summer "filler" class between MAC2312 and MAC2313 or in the spring after MAC2313.

(6) If you are in chemical engineering, which requires a second year of chemistry, you need to get started on chemistry right away. Further, I strongly advise that you plan your years at TCC so you complete organic chemistry here (probably along with physics). Former students also recommend this approach for reasons I will gladly explain to you. One sample schedule on another page comes from one of those successful students. IMPORTANT NOTE: The FAMU-FSU chemical engineering program does not require MAP2302. If you look at the actual required courses, you will see that they want you to take ECH3301 at FSU instead of MAP2302. There is no harm in taking a differential equations course if you have the time and money to do so, but it will only be viewed as an elective.

(7) Those engineering majors that must take at least two sequences of physical science (CHM1045 and CHM1046 along with PHY2048 and PHY2049), such a chemical engineers or most students transferring to Florida, can request a waiver of the gen-ed science distribution requirement at Enrollment Services provided they complete all four classes at TCC. Other students need to use the "elective" to complete the science distribution requirement.

(8) The FSU "speech" requirement is met within the College of Engineering curriculum, so a separate speech class is not needed.

(9) All of these schedules assume you have met the admission requirement of 2 full years of a foreign language in high school. If not, you will need to add at least one more term to make room for two semesters of a foreign language in college.

Notes on one Full-Time Schedule Suggestion

This schedule is not for the faint of heart. This program is appropriate only for a good math student, one who has used the CLM exam to place into pre-calculus classes and who earns at least a B in pre-calc and trig on the first try. It covers all of the calculus courses in two years, and does not leave room to work more than 10 to 15 hours per week after the first year. I include a multicultural course that shows one way to meet that FSU requirement, but none of the pre-engineering courses (such as drafting, EGS1111C). A student planning to go to UF must make room to take C and C++.

Sem. Math and Science Classes Liberal Arts Classes
  MAC1105 ENC0020 and REA0002
  (the class above is a pre-req) (classes above are prep courses)
1 MAC2140 CHM1045+L Computer * ? ENC1101 History 1  
2 MAC2114 Elective * Computer * ? ENC1102 History 2  
x MAC2311     HUM2210 *    
3 MAC2312 PHY2048+L     HSC1100  
4 MAC2313 PHY2049+L     Soc. Sci. *  
x MAP2302     HUM2230 * POS1041 *  
 
  * Computer: There are many ways to meet the minimal computer literacy requirement, but you need to plan more carefully if your major requires C++. You need to take or exempt CGS1000 and then take COP2220 (into to C) and COP2221 (intermediate C++). If allowed by your transfer school, you might take COP2800 (Java) instead of COP2221. There are some good reasons to choose Java over C++ if you have that choice.

  * Elective: Students going to UF should take CHM1046 (and lab, if needed) or the other required "second science" at this time. Some courses (such as GLY1030 for FSU civil engineers) can be taken in the fall, along with CHM1045. Other students should complete their gen-ed science distribution requirement at this time.

  * Humanities: There are some interesting alternatives to the standard sequence that also meet the FSU multicultural requirement. If you do it this way and your major does not require ECO2023, you can count POS1041 for the social science requirement. This also helps students going to Florida.

  * Social Science: Several majors require ECO2023. To avoid wasting money on extra credits, FSU students who need ECO2023 should choose humanities courses that meet FSU's multicultural requirement. FSU students who don't need economics can take something like SYG2230 or SYG2010, while FAMU students should take AMH2091 to meet the FAMU African-American history requirement. Florida students who don't need ECO2023 can take POS1041 to cover both the Social Science and Constitution requirement.

  * Constitution: FAMU-FSU now requires a total of 18 hours of social sciences and humanities, so you should take POS1041 (national government) or POS1121 (state and local government) to meet this requirement. If you are going to Florida or have enough credits from other humanities and social science classes, you can take the one-credit POS1601 course to meet this TCC graduation requirement. You can take POS1601 via "credit by exam" or SPI, but students say it is much easier to take the 1 hour per week class or take it in a six-week semester.

This program includes a total of 67 credits (70 if you must take a CGS class rather than exempt it) by the end of the second summer. When you transfer, they will ignore 7-10 of your beginning math credits to get you down to 60 transfer hours.

You can, under some circumstances, graduate with 64 credits and still take MAP2302 at TCC if you have been accepted for transfer prior to doing so. The process is called "Dual Enrollment". Check on this before you apply for graduation.

 Extra Classes: This schedule does not include any of the courses in the now defunct AA/engineering program at TCC. Doing so would increase significantly an already heavy work load. Some of the courses that used to be required for this major, such as engineering graphics, will transfer to FSU - but not on a credit-for-credit basis. You may be able to take other pre-engineering classes at TCC or FSU (via dual enrollment) during your last semester.

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Please click here and read some general suggestions and warnings. These apply to all of my advising pages.

I gave a number of important engineering-specific warnings at the top of this page, but here is a reminder of some important differences between a regular AA transfer program and the rules for persons wishing to major in engineering:

(1) With very few exceptions, engineering schools will not accept the grade from a third try in physics or other required core courses (such as calculus or chemistry). Be sure you know the policy used by the college(s) you are considering.

(2) The U. of Florida requires an eighth course, usually CHM1046, and you must complete 6 of the 8 (with satisfactory grades) before admission to the college. Check the requirements for your major early in your TCC career.

(3) The FAMU-FSU college requires a specific earth science course for civil engineering and the second chemistry course (along with two semesters of organic chemistry) for chemical engineering. They only require 4 of the 7 core science and math courses for admission, but they strongly advise that all future FSU students complete their math at TCC, including differential equations (MAP2302) if it is required for your major.

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